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 MesajScris: Joi Aug 16, 2012 10:24 pm        Subiectul mesajului: Re: Aletha Solter 
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Am citi un articol pe blogul unei canadience care a patrecut cativa ani in Mongolia, incapand cu varsta de 3 ani a bebelusului ei. Nu stiu daca de aici am luat linck-ul. Spunea ca femeile mongole ofereau sanul copilului la orice semn de disconfort, scancet. ca alaptau pana tariu - 4-7 ani, iar copiii se intarcau adesea la presiunea grupului de prieteni (erau apelati cu ceva gen papa -lapte! - mai sugi inca la sanul mamei.)
Aveam impresia ca am gresit cu Filo, care statea aproape non stop conectata la san (ii spunea lili). Ca eu o alinasem doar cu sanul. Citind despre comportamentul mongolilor, am realiat ca populatiile care traiesc mai aproape de natura simt mai bine anumite lucruri.
Exact cum spune autoarea americana citata de Andreina, noi rationalizam prea mult si nu mai „simtim” copilul. (Apropos de rationalizat:CUnosc un barbat care cronometreaza cat suge fiul sau nou-nascut si afirma fascinat: E ca la carte - a dormit 16 ore, a supt 6 ore!)

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 MesajScris: Dum Aug 19, 2012 6:35 pm        Subiectul mesajului: Re: Aletha Solter 
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Este deci foarte important să ţineţi bebeluşul în braţe în momentul în care plânge, indiferent cât simte nevoia să facă acest lucru, şi să-I transmiteţi dragostea, sentimentele dvs. şi starea de siguranţă.


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 MesajScris: Dum Aug 19, 2012 6:37 pm        Subiectul mesajului: Re: Aletha Solter 
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mai era o tipa, tot asa, "continerea" cu forta*, in cazul copiilor autisti, imi scapa acum, am discutat acum cativa ani, cred ca tot aici pe forum, poate va aduceti aminte voi....

*care oricum nu mai e continere, e orice alt ceva decat continere

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 MesajScris: Dum Aug 19, 2012 11:53 pm        Subiectul mesajului: Re: Aletha Solter 
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nu astfel vroiam sa argumentez (cand am timp), dar e relevant si asta

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Când am citit capitolul tradus mai jos am avut un fel de revelație. Nu realizasem până atunci că de multe ori copiilor li se dă și li se pretinde iubire sau manifestări afective cu ”de-a sila”. ”Zi sărumâna și pup-o pe buni!”. ”Dă-mi un pupic!”. ”Hai la mama în brațe!”. Când acest gen de ”îndemnuri” nu sunt retrase, deși copilul refuză să le urmeze sau este în mod evident deranjat, putem considera că s-a comis un abuz. Sigur, mulți vor spune că nu i se face copilului ceva rău, ci doar i se oferă afecțiunea de care are nevoie. Numai că nu-i așa. Iubire cu sila nu se poate, ba chiar poate duce la dispariția afecțiunii [...]


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 MesajScris: Lun Aug 20, 2012 4:43 pm        Subiectul mesajului: Re: Aletha Solter 
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Ceea ce-mi pare periculos e ideea ca plansul poate sa fie un scop in sine, plansul in realitate fiind semnal menit sa atraga atentia adultului. Plansul comunica: "Uita-ma, am nevoie sa te ingrijesti de mine!" Iar a te pune in contact cu copilul fie si cu sanul nu inseamna a acoperi plansul copilului cu acesta, ci inseamna a incerca sa intelegi ce se intampla celui care e langa noi, suferind.


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"ei, mama, io te chem, tu esti acolo pentru mine!?"
cu cat e DA-ul mai mare, mai decis exprimat cu atat pruncii cresc mai sanatosi mintali, robusti interior.



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Legat de primul citat, am dat cu boii de gard intr-una din zilele trecute: Vlad se trezeste morocanos, jeleste asa de drag....da, plansul ii e drag lui, ii e drag ca e datator de tzatza, ii e drag ca e datator de brate, ii e drag ca e datator de zambetul meu care se duce in zambetul lui si ulterioarele maimutareli ale amandoura.... Plansul e viata lui :) Ma intind langa el si dau sa il mangai, imi da mana deoparte. Mai incerc sa il iubesc si nu ma vrea. Ma hotarasc dupa cateva minute si ii spun ca il las sa se trezeasca, sa se linisteasca si apoi vedem ce lucruri interesante gasim de facut. "Ma duc sa termin de intins rufele si vin". Il aud ca incepe sa planga tare si ma hotarasc sa mai stau 2 minute langa sforile de rufe, sa termin treaba inceputa, putin ofticata fiind ca oricum nu am ce sa fac langa el... Dupa ce am revenit la patul lui, am vazut ca nu era jelitul cu care se sculase, ci plansese chiar cu ciuda... L-am linistit in brate si, la vreo doua ore am aflat, ca e suparat ca "am plecat la rufe". M-am simtit nasol rau, avea nevoie de mine, iar eu n-am stiut.

Acum, a propos de lasatul sa planga (nu am citit cartea Alethei), si vorbind de copil mare, nu bebelus, s-a intamplat sa nu mai pot de nervi si sa-i negociez, in nici un caz conditionez plansul. Adica ceva de genul "hai sa ne oprim din plans ca io nu mai pot, putem face altceva in loc de asta, hai sa iesim la plimbare, sau sa mancam, sau orice altceva, ca plansul asta pe tine te oboseste si pe mine ma turbeaza".
Dar, in general, incerc sa aflu ce il supara, cum pot sa-l ajut...
De asta mor de adultii cu "ce urat esti cand plangi" si alte replici de genul. N-am auzit un singur adult, altul decat parinte ap, sa intrebe copilul : cu ce pot sa te ajut? De ce esti suparat, hai sa imi povestesti... :(

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 MesajScris: Joi Iul 30, 2015 11:20 pm        Subiectul mesajului: Re: Aletha Solter 
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ceva fain. redau textul integral, pentru ca am observat ca in ani link-urile s-ar putea sa nu mai fie functionale
http://veronikarobinson.blogspot.ro/200 ... aware.html

Saturday, June 30, 2007
Attachment Parents ~ BEWARE of Aware Parenting
Today's Cuppa: Echinacea Tea


I love editing The Mother magazine. Daily I hear from women (and men) who are actively listening to their inner voice and following their intuition despite living in a culture which values possessions and money as priorities over the love, parental companionship, care and well-being of our children.

The downside of working in the parenting field is reading the utter rubbish that gets perpetuated in mainstream literature. So often a woman's instincts are dismissed by so- called experts. At one level we have the childless Supernanny telling parents how to raise their unruly children. At another, we have midwives or doctors who write books, such as Baby Sense by Megan Faure and Ann Richardson, which talk of feeding a baby rice or maize at three months of age (??!!) or not breastfeeding more than every two hours. And don’t even start me on The Good Sleep Guide by Angela Henderson. OMG! Utterly hideous and downright cruel to babies. In my opinion both of these books should be burnt. They are extremely dangerous in the messages they give to parents and are deeply insulting and ignorant of basic human neuro-biology. I read the other day that Gina Ford believes she takes a 'holistic approach to parenting'. Whatever next? Clearly the word holistic is used to cover all manner of sins these days.
I hear stories of doctors who suggest a baby be fed rusks at two weeks of age and Health Visitors (Public Enemy No. 1) who push mothers to get babies onto formula at seven weeks of age or earlier. These things frustrate me enormously and make me sick to the stomach. And yet in many ways they're to be expected in our culture. The Mother magazine feels like a lone voice in the vast wilderness of parenting.

My job in creating The Mother is centred around one purpose: to be an advocate for the babies and children. As a result the content may seem radical, cutting edge and for some people, just a tad too challenging, as it means they might have to compromise aspects of their lifestyle. It's far easier, or so they think, to just do 'what everyone else does'. Life's much easier if you don't rock the boat, isn't it?

In the past couple of years, there has been a rather insidious element creeping into natural parenting circles, so much so that I'm unaware of any other natural parenting magazine besides The Mother magazine which doesn't now promote Aware Parenting ~ a clever, yet misleading, term coined by Aletha Solter. I say insidious because this 'style' of parenting cushions itself within the admirable principles of attachment parenting and subverts them by acting, cult-like, in drawing in otherwise intelligent, nurturing, yet susceptible parents who might be exhausted or, more accurately, unsupported in their natural parenting choices.

Today's blog is to publicly state that in no way do I, personally or professionally, endorse the practice known as Aware Parenting ~ in particular the aspect of allowing the baby to 'cry it out'.

Proponents of this method argue that babies have unresolved tensions and need to cry them out in order to heal. They suggest that holding the baby while she cries will allow the baby to relieve herself of stress. What they don't seem to acknowledge is that crying is virtually unheard of in indigenous cultures where babies' needs are instantly met, if not anticipated first. Even if advocates of Aware Parenting don't wish to admit it, they are in effect encouraging 'controlled crying'. They do not encourage comforting of the baby through nursing, jiggling or rocking the baby ~ all actions which come instinctively to a NURTURING mother.

In my late teens, I worked for a professional babysitting agency. It's no exaggeration to say that the children of psychologists were, without fail, always difficult to sit for. Even back then I couldn't help but wonder if those famiies were parenting by rote from some textbook, rather than from their heart.

One advocate of Aware Parenting, a psychologist, suggests that if you don't let your baby cry in this way he might end up with a long list of psychological disorders. She suggests that social disorders such as addictions will happen. Now, imagine a new parent reading this sort of information. Well, no caring parent would want their child to grow up with this in front of them. Yet the exact opposite is true. Children deprived of non-nutritive suckling suffer all sorts of consequences, long and short term. I could present a thesis on it!

Aware Parenting gurus promise that if you follow their path it will provide you with a child who is 'calm and co-operative'. Whatever happened to accepting our children for who they are? Or taking responsibility for our failures rather than trying to 'fix' the child. Actually, my take is that these 'calm and cooperative' children will feel they weren't listened to; that their cries didn't get their needs met; that they were abandoned by the very person in this whole world who should have helped them. They've learnt not to 'rock the boat' or ask for anything any more because 'no-one will listen'. It is complete rubbish that all babies need to cry or that they need to cry for emotional release. Babies cry when their needs aren't met. If a baby is feeling agitated or taking on the stress from those around them, this can be relieved by carrying them against your body and breastfeeding on cue ~ which a mother would be doing anyway if she was parenting naturally. Our babies are more than capable of dealing with the ups and downs of day to day life if they're getting their needs met and handled with love and care. Babies don't cry for the fun of it! It causes great distress and discomfort. It's their last ditch attempt to get attention. It is NOT manipulation ~ which, by the way, is an adult trait, not a baby's one.

As a parent, if you choose to use controlled crying, then it is important that you acknowledge that you're not meeting your child's needs optimally. Own it. Whatever your reasons are for choosing to do this, DON'T BLAME THE CHILD. Many people who choose attachment parenting are doing so in social isolation; it is so at odds with our culture. Because of this, it is easy for them to feel overwhelmed at times and then to wonder if they're parenting 'wrongly'.

Aware Parenting is a clever marketing ploy in a sense, designed specifically to draw in vulnerable parents. There's a lot of money to be had in providing 'counselling' to parents who are struggling. To raise our children optimally we must not engage in emotionally crippling and numbing practises such as Aware Parenting promote through their controlled crying -which does two things ~ shows the baby it is not 'good enough' and severs the unique bond between mother and child by encouraging her to disengage from the one thing nature gave her to tell her the baby is 'in danger' ~ the CRY!

As Jean Liedloff wrote in The Contimnuum Concept "a baby's cry is precisely as serious as it sounds." Jean lived with the Yequanna tribe for some time and is far more qualified than most to speak about how babies are when raised in accord with their biological needs.

One of my major concerns with Aware Parenting is that a baby with very real problems will not be having its REAL needs met. Even in gentle births babies can be subluxated and need chiropractic or cranial support. Assuming that the baby has a 'need' to cry through emotional issues, is very misleading. This is an adult need.

So, what happens why a baby cries? There is a dramatic fluctuation in blood flow during extended crying which decreases cerebral oxygenation and causes an increase in cerebral blood volume. This increases intracranial pressure and puts the baby at risk for an intracranial haemorrhage. At the same time, the blood, by now oxygen-depleted, flows into the systemic circulation, rather than into the lungs (see Anderson, GC)

The Aware Parenting approach dismisses comfort nursing (otherwise known as non-nutritive sucking). As I've written in my soon to be published book, 'The Drinks are on me' (available from: http://www.artofchange.co.uk) non-nutritive sucking is every bit as important as breastfeeding for thirst or hunger. It is rarely talked about in lactation circles. Even amongst attachment parents, many mums remove the child from the breast when his/her tummy is full. In indigenous cultures the mother allows the child to suck from the breast which has already had milk withdrawn, for as long as is needed.

As mothers, if we respond immediately and comfort our crying baby, they learn to trust us and in turn become more responsive.

If you're new to mothering and are unsure of how to read your baby's pre-cry cues for hunger, look for the following signs:

making sucking sounds or little sucking motions
sucking on her hands
snuggling or rooting at the breast
increased alertness or activity
making rooting motions
clenching his fists by her face
brushing a hand across her face
putting her fist in his mouth

We are biologically programmed to give a nurturing response to our baby's cries. It is not natural to refrain or to ignore them. Our body responds immediately to our baby's cry. Blood flows to our breasts and we have the urge to pick the baby up and breastfeed. The hormone oxytocin gives us the feeling which helps us to 'love our baby'. So, if this is what our body instructs us to do without any direction from the logical left side of the brain, and then some well-meaning but misguided expert like Marion Badenoch Rose, Aletha Solter, Gina Ford or Angela Henderson tell us to ignore it, you've got to ask yourself why. Investing in their misguided belief systems is a huge loss for your child and for you. Your child is the loser while these gurus get richer.

If you want a happy, contented and balanced baby/child, then get in touch with your mothering instincts ~ and listen to them.

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